1 00:01:09,010 --> 00:00:29,200 [Music] 2 00:01:15,380 --> 00:01:12,230 and good evening from Philadelphia Frank 3 00:01:17,780 --> 00:01:15,390 here with another edition of UFO news 4 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:17,790 network Sunday tonight 5 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:20,850 this one I am so excited about because 6 00:01:27,590 --> 00:01:25,050 this is the case this is the man who got 7 00:01:29,780 --> 00:01:27,600 me into UFOs in the first place a little 8 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:29,790 bit more than 45 years ago 9 00:01:34,219 --> 00:01:31,890 can't believe he's here chan I'm so 10 00:01:35,930 --> 00:01:34,229 excited my co-host chant Hana why don't 11 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:35,940 you do the honors and introduce our very 12 00:01:40,730 --> 00:01:38,369 special guest for tonight and you know 13 00:01:43,609 --> 00:01:40,740 you should be excited because he's a 14 00:01:45,530 --> 00:01:43,619 wonderful person everybody has said 15 00:01:48,170 --> 00:01:45,540 nothing but lovely things about him he's 16 00:01:51,109 --> 00:01:48,180 a very humble person and I think he's a 17 00:01:53,090 --> 00:01:51,119 very special person it's my honor to 18 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:53,100 welcome Calvin Parker on to our show and 19 00:01:58,999 --> 00:01:55,530 I wanted to let everybody know a little 20 00:02:01,310 --> 00:01:59,009 bit about him on October 11th 1973 21 00:02:02,660 --> 00:02:01,320 Calvin Parker and Charles Hickson were 22 00:02:05,330 --> 00:02:02,670 fishing on the west bank of the 23 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:05,340 Pascagoula River and from there they had 24 00:02:09,020 --> 00:02:06,840 an amazing encounter that became 25 00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:09,030 international news welcome to our show 26 00:02:15,620 --> 00:02:11,760 Calvin thank you you almost making me 27 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:15,630 blow Basheer we're so thrilled to have 28 00:02:19,310 --> 00:02:17,160 you on with us how are you doing this 29 00:02:23,020 --> 00:02:19,320 evening I'm doing great 30 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:23,030 been a long hot day here in Mississippi 31 00:02:28,310 --> 00:02:25,500 thanks thanks for coming on I sure do 32 00:02:31,370 --> 00:02:28,320 appreciate it and I want to get down 33 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:31,380 right to it get to the case really quick 34 00:02:37,430 --> 00:02:34,890 it's a Thursday evening in October you 35 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:37,440 and Charles Hickson are out doing some 36 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:40,650 fishing along the Pascagoula River and I 37 00:02:44,539 --> 00:02:42,540 assume you're just expecting to do 38 00:02:46,009 --> 00:02:44,549 nothing more than catch fish but it 39 00:02:48,050 --> 00:02:46,019 didn't turn out that way so once you 40 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:48,060 tell us pick it up from there and now 41 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:50,970 tell the folks all about it well after 42 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:53,130 we got off work we decided to go do a 43 00:02:57,770 --> 00:02:55,530 little fishing and we really didn't care 44 00:03:01,069 --> 00:02:57,780 we called a fish or not we just wanted 45 00:03:05,140 --> 00:03:01,079 to get away for an October it was a 46 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:05,150 really hot day so we drove to the 47 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:08,970 Pascagoula River on the east bank and I 48 00:03:15,050 --> 00:03:10,890 noticed when we pulled up we was that 49 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:15,060 old abandoned shipyard there and it was 50 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:18,250 trash all over the place oh my eye 51 00:03:23,580 --> 00:03:21,250 with all the no trespassing signs and 52 00:03:26,490 --> 00:03:23,590 all we might get in trouble and boy did 53 00:03:28,620 --> 00:03:26,500 we will get out of car 54 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:28,630 we walked to the river it took about 15 55 00:03:35,580 --> 00:03:30,850 minutes were bothered to breed land on 56 00:03:37,860 --> 00:03:35,590 the river to get to the river and once 57 00:03:41,220 --> 00:03:37,870 we got there we said and we pulled up a 58 00:03:43,620 --> 00:03:41,230 log owner over here and I was looking 59 00:03:45,810 --> 00:03:43,630 across the river at an O Coast Coast 60 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:45,820 Guard ship and Oh abandon ship and I was 61 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:49,210 thinking to myself now how does these 62 00:03:53,550 --> 00:03:51,130 things float made out of steel and 63 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:53,560 that's always amazed me you can build 64 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:55,450 something out of steel or concrete and 65 00:04:02,490 --> 00:03:58,570 it floats and about that time they were 66 00:04:04,980 --> 00:04:02,500 some old blue hasty lights coming from 67 00:04:07,350 --> 00:04:04,990 behind me reflected tonight across the 68 00:04:10,260 --> 00:04:07,360 river well I didn't think much of it 69 00:04:12,780 --> 00:04:10,270 that was my first day there no and 70 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:12,790 Charlie said it was ok to fish but I 71 00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:14,650 actually thought the law was coming to 72 00:04:21,990 --> 00:04:18,000 run us off because we were trespassing 73 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:22,000 and we stood up and we looked around and 74 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:24,010 all of a sudden there was a real bright 75 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:27,520 line I mean it was blinding bright and 76 00:04:35,580 --> 00:04:31,480 they just blinds you almost it and 77 00:04:37,620 --> 00:04:35,590 that's when oh when we was looking what 78 00:04:41,550 --> 00:04:37,630 we noticed they was three bulky looking 79 00:04:48,420 --> 00:04:41,560 creatures that all was coming toward us 80 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:48,430 but I still couldn't make them out but 81 00:04:53,750 --> 00:04:51,010 they were so fast that they got oh they 82 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:53,760 was just kind of floating across video 83 00:04:58,650 --> 00:04:56,650 floating across the river so they just 84 00:05:01,469 --> 00:04:58,660 more or less kind of appeared there they 85 00:05:03,060 --> 00:05:01,479 was so fast well two of them got ahold 86 00:05:05,490 --> 00:05:03,070 of Charlie and one of them got a hold 87 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:05,500 myself and that's when I felt an 88 00:05:11,790 --> 00:05:09,130 injection in my left arm and I really 89 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:11,800 did think about rugby but I couldn't run 90 00:05:16,590 --> 00:05:14,110 or move or anything else at the time 91 00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:16,600 that this happened so they started 92 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:19,510 carrying us toward the craft now this is 93 00:05:24,990 --> 00:05:21,810 when I lost sight of Charlie altogether 94 00:05:27,089 --> 00:05:25,000 they carry can this one carried me 95 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:27,099 toward the craft and I could see I was 96 00:05:31,740 --> 00:05:30,130 conscious I had smell I could smell the 97 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:31,750 air around me 98 00:05:37,950 --> 00:05:35,470 and I could notice Lysa I just couldn't 99 00:05:41,070 --> 00:05:37,960 move my head nothing but my head one way 100 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:41,080 or another or my eyeballs when they got 101 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:43,930 me to the door the first thing I 102 00:05:49,740 --> 00:05:47,410 remember I was looking to see where the 103 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:49,750 light was coming from out of the craft 104 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:51,850 because the bright look I was coming on 105 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:54,400 the inside and they would look like it 106 00:05:59,940 --> 00:05:56,170 was illuminated now the paint 107 00:06:02,910 --> 00:05:59,950 what no why pictures nothing but they 108 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:02,920 made this thing kind of pause our second 109 00:06:07,230 --> 00:06:05,650 they made a left turn and then he took 110 00:06:10,350 --> 00:06:07,240 me and made another right turn and 111 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:10,360 letting the only examination table now 112 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:13,360 this thing that had me I call him the 113 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:16,930 big ugly woman as he had and it was 114 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:20,290 bulky he didn't have much of a neck 115 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:22,770 he was my 5-foot tall and he moved 116 00:06:29,909 --> 00:06:27,130 mechanically like a robot after he laid 117 00:06:32,940 --> 00:06:29,919 me down on an examination table I was on 118 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:32,950 my back about a 16 degree angle and I 119 00:06:38,580 --> 00:06:35,320 noticed something the size of a deck of 120 00:06:40,740 --> 00:06:38,590 cards came from the seagull and he 121 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:40,750 stopped about a foot and a half from my 122 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:43,330 head and it clicked one time it went to 123 00:06:48,510 --> 00:06:45,610 my right side that clicked behind the 124 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:48,520 head to the left and then it just shot 125 00:06:54,990 --> 00:06:52,510 back up into wall and I noticed he 126 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:55,000 backed off and like to say he moved 127 00:07:02,310 --> 00:06:57,610 mechanically so it had to be a robot of 128 00:07:06,750 --> 00:07:02,320 some kind or something like that then 129 00:07:09,420 --> 00:07:06,760 this female and I called it a female I 130 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:09,430 don't know if it was one or not but it 131 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:11,710 was a female looking creature that came 132 00:07:17,460 --> 00:07:15,250 out out and she had normal hands with 133 00:07:18,450 --> 00:07:17,470 this other than any crab like hands or 134 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:18,460 mittens own 135 00:07:27,450 --> 00:07:24,520 she had Oh eyes nose ears she was kind 136 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:27,460 of normal-looking you know could have 137 00:07:34,469 --> 00:07:32,260 been more or less a human here on earth 138 00:07:36,659 --> 00:07:34,479 you know kind of way we have different 139 00:07:39,750 --> 00:07:36,669 races here you know everybody looks a 140 00:07:42,060 --> 00:07:39,760 little different that was her she came 141 00:07:44,909 --> 00:07:42,070 out as she grabbed me by the cheek as 142 00:07:45,570 --> 00:07:44,919 she paints my cheek I didn't feel any 143 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:45,580 feeling 144 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:48,370 in there what she did I didn't feel 145 00:07:54,779 --> 00:07:52,210 don't want from her skin or anything and 146 00:07:56,610 --> 00:07:54,789 then I was starting to get a little bit 147 00:07:59,339 --> 00:07:56,620 worried but to what nothing I could say 148 00:08:01,860 --> 00:07:59,349 your dude she grabbed me by the chance 149 00:08:04,709 --> 00:08:01,870 she pulled my chin down and she run her 150 00:08:07,230 --> 00:08:04,719 two middle fingers down my throat and 151 00:08:11,429 --> 00:08:07,240 come up in my nasal cavity and I started 152 00:08:15,179 --> 00:08:11,439 choking and that's when she just calmly 153 00:08:16,290 --> 00:08:15,189 said but her mouth didn't move we're not 154 00:08:19,020 --> 00:08:16,300 gonna hurt you 155 00:08:21,659 --> 00:08:19,030 and I was thinking you know well you 156 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:21,669 already have I'm in a world of pain I 157 00:08:26,309 --> 00:08:24,639 was bleeding and she reached up behind 158 00:08:28,350 --> 00:08:26,319 that little thing that hangs down in 159 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:28,360 your throat and tried to go into my 160 00:08:34,319 --> 00:08:31,330 nasal cavities so my nose automatically 161 00:08:37,469 --> 00:08:34,329 started breathing I was choking but she 162 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:37,479 did pull her fingers out and she stood 163 00:08:42,690 --> 00:08:39,250 there look for a minute until I kind of 164 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:42,700 got my breath and then she made a little 165 00:08:47,730 --> 00:08:45,730 mumbling noise and this is window the 166 00:08:51,150 --> 00:08:47,740 big ugly creature came back and grabbed 167 00:08:54,449 --> 00:08:51,160 me by the arm and I felt of injection 168 00:08:57,090 --> 00:08:54,459 again and she just backed up by the way 169 00:08:59,490 --> 00:08:57,100 and he picked us up and he carried his 170 00:09:03,120 --> 00:08:59,500 out and put me down almost in the same 171 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:03,130 spot on the river that all they had yes 172 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:06,730 if I was facing the rivers with my arm 173 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:10,240 stretched now they know well they what 174 00:09:17,699 --> 00:09:14,290 must need to run then so I heard Charlie 175 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:17,709 he said Calvin Calvin son you okay but 176 00:09:22,199 --> 00:09:19,810 he was on the ground and I turned around 177 00:09:25,380 --> 00:09:22,209 to look to see if I could see him and 178 00:09:28,410 --> 00:09:25,390 that's when the bright lights shut down 179 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:28,420 and the blue light started again and 180 00:09:33,030 --> 00:09:30,250 this thing just picked up off the ground 181 00:09:35,340 --> 00:09:33,040 shot up into the air but once it got up 182 00:09:36,449 --> 00:09:35,350 above the powerlines just more or less 183 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:36,459 disappeared 184 00:09:43,949 --> 00:09:39,610 so well you know that was pretty much 185 00:09:47,630 --> 00:09:43,959 the end of that one and Charlie and I 186 00:09:51,060 --> 00:09:47,640 set down on the pier and talked and we 187 00:09:53,009 --> 00:09:51,070 we decided not to tell nobody nothing 188 00:09:55,350 --> 00:09:53,019 and that's why it took me so long to 189 00:09:58,270 --> 00:09:55,360 come out of course Charlie went the 190 00:10:02,530 --> 00:09:58,280 public right away we evolved his stuff 191 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:02,540 and we sit there and talked a few 192 00:10:09,340 --> 00:10:04,310 minutes and I said Charlie this didn't 193 00:10:11,620 --> 00:10:09,350 happen to me at all so they don't need 194 00:10:14,890 --> 00:10:11,630 us tell anything we just get up in the 195 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:14,900 morning go to work but big mouth had to 196 00:10:21,490 --> 00:10:19,310 go with my tell somebody he with first 197 00:10:24,460 --> 00:10:21,500 thing we did when we laughs we like to 198 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:24,470 never got the car crate the windows was 199 00:10:29,860 --> 00:10:27,470 physically saddled shattered on the 200 00:10:33,430 --> 00:10:29,870 passenger side of the car that's the one 201 00:10:35,710 --> 00:10:33,440 that was parked toward the craft we got 202 00:10:37,870 --> 00:10:35,720 back to the car when he opened the door 203 00:10:40,210 --> 00:10:37,880 then it fell out on the driver's side I 204 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:40,220 like to never did get the car cranked 205 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:42,850 but when I did it run really rough and 206 00:10:50,770 --> 00:10:45,410 without saying I was ready to get out of 207 00:10:53,770 --> 00:10:50,780 there so we back to turned around and we 208 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:53,780 drove to well like we was going back to 209 00:10:58,870 --> 00:10:56,450 his apartment and there was a little 210 00:11:01,390 --> 00:10:58,880 convenience store and it had a payphone 211 00:11:04,690 --> 00:11:01,400 on the side because you know what 73 212 00:11:07,930 --> 00:11:04,700 there were no payphones no public media 213 00:11:12,820 --> 00:11:07,940 or Facebook or anything like that 214 00:11:15,100 --> 00:11:12,830 so you had to use a dial phone if you 215 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:15,110 want me to call somebody he said pull 216 00:11:19,900 --> 00:11:18,320 over let me use a phone I thought he was 217 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:19,910 gonna call his wife and tell her we 218 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:22,610 would be home in a few millions but he 219 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:24,770 pulled over and I heard him call Keesler 220 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:28,970 Air Force Base yeah they told him they 221 00:11:33,790 --> 00:11:30,800 didn't deal with this anymore and he 222 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:33,800 come back to the car and they also told 223 00:11:39,190 --> 00:11:35,770 him to call the local shelf department 224 00:11:41,170 --> 00:11:39,200 so he came back to the car said he 225 00:11:45,510 --> 00:11:41,180 needed another dime to call herself 226 00:11:48,220 --> 00:11:45,520 Department and I was thinking you know I 227 00:11:50,470 --> 00:11:48,230 hope we don't find one but he looked 228 00:11:53,650 --> 00:11:50,480 under the seats and all and he finally 229 00:11:56,950 --> 00:11:53,660 found a dime and he did he called the 230 00:12:01,720 --> 00:11:56,960 local shelter department they told him 231 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:01,730 look Charlie will be there just a few 232 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:03,770 minutes y'all don't leave cuz I know 233 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:05,510 they thought we was drinking her own 234 00:12:09,340 --> 00:12:07,670 drugs or something less that's what I 235 00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:09,350 would have thought of somebody told me 236 00:12:14,090 --> 00:12:11,310 that right 237 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:14,100 so sure enough it wasn't just a few 238 00:12:20,330 --> 00:12:17,130 minutes less than 10 minutes they pulled 239 00:12:22,730 --> 00:12:20,340 up and they got out of the car now while 240 00:12:25,130 --> 00:12:22,740 they didn't walk over to talk to him 241 00:12:27,170 --> 00:12:25,140 that's what I want to know they wanted 242 00:12:29,870 --> 00:12:27,180 to talk to me right there and I guess 243 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:29,880 cuz I don't know driving and they wanted 244 00:12:36,230 --> 00:12:32,610 to see my driver's license so I showed 245 00:12:38,690 --> 00:12:36,240 them that and they said I'll step out of 246 00:12:40,730 --> 00:12:38,700 the car now it just kind of looked and 247 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:40,740 they didn't search it I just looked in 248 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:44,040 they said I want you to follow my 249 00:12:48,140 --> 00:12:46,050 fingers so he took my fingers rub 250 00:12:50,510 --> 00:12:48,150 between the head and I'll run between 251 00:12:52,540 --> 00:12:50,520 the highest and I followed my fingers 252 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:52,550 with all my eyes 253 00:12:59,810 --> 00:12:56,310 he said now won't you do stand up on 254 00:13:01,820 --> 00:12:59,820 your left for hoaxer right foot jump up 255 00:13:04,190 --> 00:13:01,830 and down lean your head back touching 256 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:04,200 those and count backwards he's giving 257 00:13:08,300 --> 00:13:06,450 you drunk tests here that's what he was 258 00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:08,310 doing about some man I can't do that so 259 00:13:14,270 --> 00:13:12,240 I mean gone much less so you know but I 260 00:13:17,390 --> 00:13:14,280 went ahead did it then he wanted me to 261 00:13:20,210 --> 00:13:17,400 kind of walk the little arm after and we 262 00:13:22,790 --> 00:13:20,220 complied with everything of course 263 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:22,800 Charlie's setting up in there like a big 264 00:13:29,650 --> 00:13:27,110 girl love while I was outside making it 265 00:13:31,850 --> 00:13:29,660 idiot out of myself jumping up and down 266 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:31,860 they said well you're good enough to 267 00:13:37,870 --> 00:13:34,770 follow us to the South Department I said 268 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:37,880 okay I don't want to but I will 269 00:13:43,730 --> 00:13:41,310 so we followed them to the Sheriff's 270 00:13:48,860 --> 00:13:43,740 Department and the first thing they did 271 00:13:50,750 --> 00:13:48,870 was give me a breathalyzer test so I 272 00:13:52,670 --> 00:13:50,760 said to her blowed on her balloon for 273 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:52,680 about 10 minutes and get out from all 274 00:13:57,860 --> 00:13:55,290 that then I was kind of getting worried 275 00:14:00,020 --> 00:13:57,870 because I didn't know what they had on 276 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:00,030 their mind because I separated this in 277 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:04,890 separate rooms and then that's when 278 00:14:11,180 --> 00:14:07,410 though they interrogated me separately 279 00:14:13,010 --> 00:14:11,190 turned 80 o shah-e seperate then they 280 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:13,020 put us in the same room together and 281 00:14:20,630 --> 00:14:15,570 little did we know that they had a tape 282 00:14:22,820 --> 00:14:20,640 recorder in this room so they was 283 00:14:25,189 --> 00:14:22,830 actually taping us what was in there 284 00:14:27,499 --> 00:14:25,199 talking to each other that we lay 285 00:14:29,179 --> 00:14:27,509 or tell him we really pulled out over on 286 00:14:32,239 --> 00:14:29,189 them or something but what we didn't 287 00:14:34,999 --> 00:14:32,249 that's when reality really hit me when I 288 00:14:37,249 --> 00:14:35,009 was in there talking to Charlie had done 289 00:14:39,410 --> 00:14:37,259 been through all this with him you know 290 00:14:42,530 --> 00:14:39,420 something happened here 291 00:14:46,369 --> 00:14:42,540 and I did I said a little prayer because 292 00:14:49,429 --> 00:14:46,379 I was scared to death and I told Charlie 293 00:14:53,239 --> 00:14:49,439 I said you know let's just go home we'd 294 00:14:55,790 --> 00:14:53,249 get up go to work the next day but you 295 00:14:59,980 --> 00:14:55,800 know we was there so then it was getting 296 00:15:03,319 --> 00:14:59,990 late I have no idea what time it was so 297 00:15:06,079 --> 00:15:03,329 they came back in and they must have 298 00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:06,089 pulled tape out listen to it and that's 299 00:15:14,030 --> 00:15:09,110 when the serious look came upon her face 300 00:15:17,419 --> 00:15:14,040 and they come in there look y'all go on 301 00:15:20,269 --> 00:15:17,429 home and we'll talk to y'all tomorrow so 302 00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:20,279 right there and if we'd been drinking or 303 00:15:26,299 --> 00:15:21,839 anything they wouldn't have never let us 304 00:15:29,059 --> 00:15:26,309 left there so we left and we drove home 305 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:29,069 and on the way home I remember talking 306 00:15:34,850 --> 00:15:31,170 to Charlie about you know I'm kind of 307 00:15:37,059 --> 00:15:34,860 worried about my father worked for the 308 00:15:41,809 --> 00:15:37,069 Atomic Energy Commission so I knew about 309 00:15:43,669 --> 00:15:41,819 radiation a little bit I was worried 310 00:15:46,249 --> 00:15:43,679 about back to you because I have seen 311 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:46,259 the Spanish man come off the Apollo 312 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:48,660 mission and they've quarantined him for 313 00:15:53,419 --> 00:15:50,490 seven days would they even let him see 314 00:15:57,169 --> 00:15:53,429 their family and now we're out here 315 00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:57,179 spreading something something drastic 316 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:00,240 happened us and we don't know why so we 317 00:16:06,350 --> 00:16:02,730 could be contaminated with all kind of 318 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:06,360 all diseases and stuff so that was my 319 00:16:09,470 --> 00:16:07,470 main concern 320 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:09,480 Charlie said we don't worry about it we 321 00:16:16,819 --> 00:16:14,490 checked on it later so we went on home 322 00:16:21,769 --> 00:16:16,829 and I got home and there was a guy on 323 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:21,779 the bleach on I pulled all my clothes I 324 00:16:27,470 --> 00:16:24,420 spews off everything good in a paper bag 325 00:16:30,769 --> 00:16:27,480 my guy and a shower I poured this bleach 326 00:16:33,499 --> 00:16:30,779 over the top of my head and rinsed it 327 00:16:35,539 --> 00:16:33,509 off because I figured you know a bleach 328 00:16:37,579 --> 00:16:35,549 would kill poison ivy and everything 329 00:16:38,540 --> 00:16:37,589 else cuz mama used to bathe me in that 330 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:38,550 in order to get rid of 331 00:16:45,949 --> 00:16:42,720 something like that and I took my 332 00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:45,959 clothes and put in a dumpster but next 333 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:49,920 morning we got up to go to work and when 334 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:53,010 we got to work now this was my second 335 00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:55,769 day at work my first day is the day when 336 00:17:01,250 --> 00:16:58,560 we went fishing and I had left Oldfield 337 00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:01,260 and took his job so that this was just 338 00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:03,120 my second day at work so I didn't 339 00:17:09,949 --> 00:17:05,760 realize how many cars were supposed to 340 00:17:12,110 --> 00:17:09,959 be in the driveway I noticed there was a 341 00:17:14,030 --> 00:17:12,120 lot of cars in that driveway 342 00:17:19,340 --> 00:17:14,040 well we brass knee and we went on the 343 00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:19,350 work and they called us to the office 344 00:17:28,370 --> 00:17:23,600 Charlie you know and I knew right then 345 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:28,380 something was going on we got out and on 346 00:17:32,180 --> 00:17:30,330 the way to the office I got on my hands 347 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:32,190 and knees and started throwing up on the 348 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:34,110 asphalt because that's just how we're 349 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:37,170 died was about things now toast somebody 350 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:40,170 that that was my first day on the job I 351 00:17:44,510 --> 00:17:42,450 got a physical I got exams I got it 352 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:44,520 conducted and I got fired all in the 353 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:47,250 first day and that's really what 354 00:17:53,919 --> 00:17:51,210 happened we got to the office and they 355 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:53,929 said we can't conduct business here 356 00:17:58,820 --> 00:17:56,490 whether the phone's ringing like this 357 00:18:00,680 --> 00:17:58,830 now what happened to you - we're gonna 358 00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:00,690 have to give the press a press release 359 00:18:05,870 --> 00:18:03,300 and y'all wanted to get away cuz if you 360 00:18:08,419 --> 00:18:05,880 go on the yard now I had no idea they 361 00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:08,429 knew anything that even happen there's 362 00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:10,500 Charlie and I had agreed not to tell 363 00:18:15,710 --> 00:18:14,280 anybody and I was thinking that Charlie 364 00:18:18,530 --> 00:18:15,720 had to tell somebody 365 00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:18,540 they were looking to know but later to 366 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:21,600 come to find out in his defense people 367 00:18:31,060 --> 00:18:26,130 in the seventies were nosy and we had 368 00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:31,070 party lines on her phones we didn't have 369 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:33,840 everybody care to stand around listen to 370 00:18:37,370 --> 00:18:35,010 the police department and the fire 371 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:37,380 department but there for a while I 372 00:18:42,140 --> 00:18:40,110 thought Charlie broke the story and me 373 00:18:46,010 --> 00:18:42,150 and him had a major fallout over all 374 00:18:48,830 --> 00:18:46,020 this just because I thought he and he 375 00:18:51,650 --> 00:18:48,840 went public with his part I didn't go 376 00:18:53,450 --> 00:18:51,660 public with mine I just went into hiding 377 00:18:57,710 --> 00:18:53,460 but it always seemed to follow me all 378 00:18:59,930 --> 00:18:57,720 these years so I you you think it was 379 00:19:02,840 --> 00:18:59,940 just somebody hearing y'all picking it 380 00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:02,850 up off a scanner maybe or off a 381 00:19:07,330 --> 00:19:04,620 conversation off a party line and that's 382 00:19:12,260 --> 00:19:07,340 how the news leaked out to the media 383 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:12,270 right so it had to be you know everybody 384 00:19:16,820 --> 00:19:14,610 had their own ringtone on the party line 385 00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:16,830 right and your phone would ring a 386 00:19:21,470 --> 00:19:19,860 certain way then you pick it up an 387 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:21,480 answer and you'd hear about seven more 388 00:19:28,190 --> 00:19:23,820 people picking out listening in or you 389 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:28,200 answered mm-hmm and then of course the 390 00:19:34,010 --> 00:19:31,530 press they monitored the scanners and 391 00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:34,020 they was a newspaper office right there 392 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:37,080 by the EO stuff department and I'm 393 00:19:42,140 --> 00:19:38,850 almost sure they might have heard the 394 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:42,150 Sheriff Department when they come in and 395 00:19:46,670 --> 00:19:44,760 it doesn't it I'm sorry go ahead but I 396 00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,680 did ask the sheriff and he said they 397 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:48,720 didn't break it okay 398 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:50,490 somebody picked it up somewhere and the 399 00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:52,710 news got out and it didn't take too long 400 00:19:58,550 --> 00:19:55,200 for some serious UFO researchers 401 00:20:00,890 --> 00:19:58,560 including the famous J Allen Hynek to 402 00:20:05,210 --> 00:20:00,900 come on down there and meet with you and 403 00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:05,220 Charles directly this John Heinrich was 404 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:08,340 down on the second day he flew in that 405 00:20:15,380 --> 00:20:10,850 night him and dr. John Island holder oh 406 00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:15,390 no the wrong dime they come down on 407 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:17,760 their own money and Hynek spent a couple 408 00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:21,090 of days down there and you know I had to 409 00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:23,700 say y'all he did a thorough 410 00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:28,830 investigation yeah I am glad you brought 411 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:31,140 up J Allen Hynek I know he came down to 412 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:33,090 talk to you and he never actually saw 413 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:36,570 him again after that I heard you were 414 00:20:44,450 --> 00:20:39,770 talking another interview that you got 415 00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:44,460 nicholae request well Allen Hynek was 416 00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:48,390 there is that true well they tried dr. 417 00:20:54,650 --> 00:20:52,320 harder tried dad and they had to bring 418 00:20:58,920 --> 00:20:54,660 me out and now the hypnosis came in in 419 00:21:00,750 --> 00:20:58,930 93 with our Budd Hopkins 420 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:00,760 yeah I'm glad you brought up but 421 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:04,110 Hopkinson I know that you all had that 422 00:21:09,540 --> 00:21:07,330 hypnotic regression and you didn't 423 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:09,550 actually hear that hypnotic regression 424 00:21:14,970 --> 00:21:12,610 until recently and you were able to 425 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:14,980 actually get the tapes on that and 426 00:21:19,530 --> 00:21:17,290 listen to it and then my understanding 427 00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,540 is Budd Hopkins actually gave you 428 00:21:24,810 --> 00:21:22,320 hypnotic suggestion and that worked out 429 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:24,820 although you didn't know about it until 430 00:21:31,410 --> 00:21:26,550 later is that right the hypnotic 431 00:21:33,030 --> 00:21:31,420 suggestion until until after I had the 432 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:33,040 book written while I was writing the 433 00:21:40,290 --> 00:21:37,180 book I had mentioned to well Philip 434 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:40,300 Merrill the publisher of the book I said 435 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:44,170 you know I've never been into this stuff 436 00:22:00,180 --> 00:21:47,770 or wanted to wanted to get into it still 437 00:22:03,030 --> 00:22:00,190 don't but I was hypnotized - all about 438 00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:03,040 trial birth Hopkins tried to hypnotize 439 00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,080 me in 93 but he didn't succeed well he 440 00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,960 said but Hopkins on the oh but AHA 441 00:22:15,630 --> 00:22:12,480 nothing yeah 442 00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:15,640 I'm barely knowing you know I met him at 443 00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:18,190 one time and then he tried to hypnotize 444 00:22:23,610 --> 00:22:21,070 me and he wasn't able to and said this 445 00:22:27,620 --> 00:22:23,620 was in 93 he said let me see if I can 446 00:22:31,650 --> 00:22:27,630 get a hold of somebody dr. Jacobs and 447 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:31,660 get that tape because buddy's passed 448 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,230 away so well he did he doc Jacobs called 449 00:22:42,420 --> 00:22:40,480 me and asked if it was okay by saying 450 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:42,430 Philip the tape Meister yeah there's 451 00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:45,910 nothing on in anyway so he sent it to 452 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:48,880 him well Philip transcribed it out into 453 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:54,010 the book and he sent me a copy over my 454 00:22:59,730 --> 00:22:56,410 computer of the transcripts and I 455 00:23:02,670 --> 00:22:59,740 started reading it and I said darling I 456 00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:02,680 was hypnotized but what had happened 457 00:23:07,710 --> 00:23:04,860 Budd Hopkins put a posthypnotic 458 00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:07,720 suggestion in my head that I wouldn't 459 00:23:13,770 --> 00:23:11,500 remember none of this until the law 460 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:13,780 was able to remember the wanted to 461 00:23:20,550 --> 00:23:16,330 remain could handle remember me and that 462 00:23:22,910 --> 00:23:20,560 was a pretty rough trip in 93 no when I 463 00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:22,920 did start remembering all this and 464 00:23:29,550 --> 00:23:25,750 actually my memory what jogged until 465 00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:29,560 Linda Moken how did an interview with me 466 00:23:34,890 --> 00:23:32,950 and she she gets on your case she's on 467 00:23:39,150 --> 00:23:34,900 your case she's a good investigative 468 00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:39,160 reporter now so um you spend a lot of 469 00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:41,860 time with Budd Hopkins during that 470 00:23:46,530 --> 00:23:44,590 hypnotic regression I'm guessing did you 471 00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:46,540 ever get a chance to really talk to him 472 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:54,760 I did he come into the room and I didn't 473 00:24:02,730 --> 00:23:57,130 think bud would know me so I introduced 474 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:02,740 I introduced myself to bud he said you 475 00:24:10,590 --> 00:24:07,450 need no introduction and we sat down to 476 00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:10,600 business he said well but tell me about 477 00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:12,790 that we started visiting and talking I 478 00:24:16,770 --> 00:24:14,680 said but I had some missing time and I 479 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:16,780 don't work that's the reason I'm down 480 00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:19,690 here he said would you consider going 481 00:24:26,940 --> 00:24:22,480 into hypnosis I said yeah but I can't be 482 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:26,950 hypnotized and I really didn't realize I 483 00:24:33,330 --> 00:24:30,930 was out when I got that tape and just 484 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:33,340 started I still hadn't listened to it 485 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:35,590 myself well the other day I did I 486 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:38,890 started listening to it but when I got 487 00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:41,170 this tape I walked out on the porch I 488 00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,350 told my wife I said you know this man 489 00:24:48,090 --> 00:24:47,440 legitimately hypnotized me so this is 490 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:48,100 scary 491 00:24:52,940 --> 00:24:50,410 because I remember telling bud you know 492 00:24:56,130 --> 00:24:52,950 well when I was in there I said look I 493 00:24:58,770 --> 00:24:56,140 got a friend here with me him and his 494 00:25:00,660 --> 00:24:58,780 wife and I trust them and I'm gonna give 495 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:00,670 it to him a ball bat and you made me do 496 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:02,770 something stupid like I do in Vegas and 497 00:25:06,690 --> 00:25:04,750 check out how to make a fool out of 498 00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:06,700 myself he's gonna beat you this ball bat 499 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:09,960 and I'm gonna take the blame for it so 500 00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:13,810 but I was hypnotized no doubt about it I 501 00:25:19,950 --> 00:25:16,720 was gonna ask you about the the robot 502 00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:19,960 that you saw floating towards you you 503 00:25:25,260 --> 00:25:22,600 the figure that you described as a robot 504 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:25,270 do you think it was built that way 505 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:27,730 for a reason and the reason why I ask 506 00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,450 you that is I figure you have this 507 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:33,600 flying saucer with these 508 00:25:40,050 --> 00:25:36,850 extraterrestrial beings and if they go 509 00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,060 from planet to planet abducting people 510 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:43,360 and doing you know experiments on them 511 00:25:49,950 --> 00:25:46,930 or laying them out on a table to do 512 00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:49,960 research on them if they have a robot it 513 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:52,840 should probably be built pretty well you 514 00:25:57,030 --> 00:25:54,610 know so that it can withstand any kind 515 00:25:59,010 --> 00:25:57,040 of environment do you think that that 516 00:26:00,980 --> 00:25:59,020 robot was built in a way that could 517 00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:00,990 handle any kind of environment no matter 518 00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:05,320 what area it was in I hope that makes 519 00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:07,990 sense I really do and that's the first 520 00:26:13,410 --> 00:26:10,660 time you know I've ever had that 521 00:26:16,350 --> 00:26:13,420 question asked but if you think about it 522 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:16,360 they have to err with caution too if 523 00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:18,370 they come from another planet they don't 524 00:26:23,550 --> 00:26:21,190 really know unless they've been studying 525 00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:23,560 what they're gonna get into it could be 526 00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:25,480 somebody violent it could be diseases 527 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:28,420 and I'm almost sure they have an immune 528 00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:32,650 system like we do so yeah I think I 529 00:26:39,810 --> 00:26:37,870 think so I wanted to ask him what do you 530 00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:39,820 think the moral of the story is for you 531 00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:41,140 here what have you learned from this 532 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:43,630 entire experience you know this happened 533 00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:48,250 in 1973 and here we are now 534 00:26:53,790 --> 00:26:51,310 2019 talking about this when you look 535 00:26:59,490 --> 00:26:53,800 back on this whole event what have you 536 00:27:02,610 --> 00:26:59,500 learned from it well up until July last 537 00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:02,620 year I really didn't study anything but 538 00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:05,140 I did have it on my mind real regular 539 00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:10,150 and the earth is just like we have 540 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:12,760 several different kinds of races on it 541 00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:14,560 they all look different 542 00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:16,990 you got some main people you got good 543 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:19,900 people and you get out all some really 544 00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:22,210 main people and I think they're pretty 545 00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:24,670 much the same way I believe they some of 546 00:27:28,530 --> 00:27:26,350 them look different some of them look 547 00:27:34,350 --> 00:27:28,540 better and you got some good and you got 548 00:27:36,150 --> 00:27:34,360 some evil now actually her running her 549 00:27:38,820 --> 00:27:36,160 fingers down her throat I might have 550 00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:38,830 been something common there you know 551 00:27:43,890 --> 00:27:41,920 I don't know it's really hard to say I'm 552 00:27:47,550 --> 00:27:43,900 just now coming to reality with the 553 00:27:49,220 --> 00:27:47,560 whole thing you were saying go ahead you 554 00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:49,230 mind if I ask one question or frankly 555 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:52,480 that is you were saying to your wife not 556 00:27:59,730 --> 00:27:55,810 that long ago that occasionally you'll 557 00:28:03,210 --> 00:27:59,740 remember the hypnotic regression that 558 00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:03,220 you went through with Budd Hopkins do 559 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:04,780 you find that you're remembering more 560 00:28:12,330 --> 00:28:08,890 and more of that session lately oh I do 561 00:28:13,980 --> 00:28:12,340 and it comes back and when it comes back 562 00:28:17,790 --> 00:28:13,990 it comes back like I'm sitting here 563 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:17,800 watching a movie and actually it's scary 564 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:20,200 as hell don't sit here and think about 565 00:28:28,260 --> 00:28:22,690 it look at it because that was a pretty 566 00:28:30,060 --> 00:28:28,270 violent scene yeah one thing that to 567 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:30,070 happen in the immediate aftermath I 568 00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:32,410 don't know exactly how quick it happened 569 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:35,920 for you but this story really took off 570 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:39,010 and got international attention I can 571 00:28:43,950 --> 00:28:41,650 remember you and Charles on national TV 572 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:43,960 doing interviews you look like you 573 00:28:49,050 --> 00:28:46,330 wanted no part of any of it Charles did 574 00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:49,060 most of the talking but tell me a little 575 00:28:54,030 --> 00:28:52,480 bit about that experience so that one it 576 00:28:55,770 --> 00:28:54,040 looked like that might have been as 577 00:29:00,360 --> 00:28:55,780 shocking for you as the abduction case 578 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:00,370 itself how it was actually it was harder 579 00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:03,490 on me because I was physically okay 580 00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:07,420 after being abducted but the media 581 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:10,750 chased me down in my life all I wanted 582 00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:13,810 to do was get married have children have 583 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:16,180 grandchildren pay for a house all my 584 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:19,450 life retiring fish but they changed the 585 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:22,690 whole outlook on things every time I'd 586 00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:24,730 get a job they would somebody show up 587 00:29:30,030 --> 00:29:27,190 and I'm not talking you know usually 588 00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:30,040 they won't for 15 minutes and then it's 589 00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:33,070 all over with but they stopped me and I 590 00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:35,110 I think a lot of us because I wouldn't 591 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:37,630 give me interview and when I did they 592 00:29:44,670 --> 00:29:41,650 would change it now I believe one thing 593 00:29:47,310 --> 00:29:44,680 happened during all this and this to me 594 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:47,320 is the most unbelievable part of your 595 00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:48,130 story 596 00:29:51,970 --> 00:29:50,710 Calvin you were actually invited to 597 00:29:53,950 --> 00:29:51,980 appear on The Tonight Show 598 00:29:57,940 --> 00:29:53,960 with Johnny Carson and you passed on 599 00:30:02,980 --> 00:29:57,950 that I did okay can you tell us a little 600 00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:02,990 bit about that well I was actually Phil 601 00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:06,320 Donahue Johnny Carson Mike Douglas all 602 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:07,520 of them called 603 00:30:14,409 --> 00:30:11,690 and I just didn't want to go now I did 604 00:30:17,289 --> 00:30:14,419 go whoa when Mike Douglas had his show 605 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:17,299 Charlie called and he said there's 606 00:30:22,659 --> 00:30:19,850 someone I want y'all to meet come go to 607 00:30:25,419 --> 00:30:22,669 the Mike Douglas show with me so I 608 00:30:28,450 --> 00:30:25,429 agreed to go on her dime I didn't have 609 00:30:31,539 --> 00:30:28,460 no money back in to fly on so they flew 610 00:30:34,510 --> 00:30:31,549 me down but the reason I went I wanted 611 00:30:36,750 --> 00:30:34,520 to meet Betty hill and I wouldn't spend 612 00:30:40,060 --> 00:30:36,760 a few days on her because I knew that 613 00:30:42,820 --> 00:30:40,070 her and Barney had been through almost 614 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:42,830 the same thing that we had and the 615 00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:46,130 reason that I laid a blade Betty hill 616 00:30:51,070 --> 00:30:48,500 you know she was a white woman married 617 00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:51,080 to a black man and in the sixties when 618 00:30:55,630 --> 00:30:52,910 this happened to them that was unheard 619 00:30:58,990 --> 00:30:55,640 of because they wouldn't hang them on a 620 00:31:01,150 --> 00:30:59,000 rope down here for doing that and if she 621 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:01,160 was willing to put herself after like 622 00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:04,850 that I believed her and I've spent some 623 00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:06,710 time we were and I really believed and 624 00:31:10,990 --> 00:31:09,350 trusted her so right I remember that 625 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:11,000 Mike Douglas shot was done right here in 626 00:31:14,650 --> 00:31:12,770 Philadelphia I believe at the time so 627 00:31:16,270 --> 00:31:14,660 you came into Philadelphia and did the 628 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:16,280 whole thing yes sir 629 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:19,970 that I did and the only reason I agreed 630 00:31:25,090 --> 00:31:22,490 to that like I said was to meet bad he 631 00:31:27,159 --> 00:31:25,100 or she was supposed to be there and I 632 00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:27,169 think she ended up not showing up but we 633 00:31:33,070 --> 00:31:30,260 still got ahold of her and I went on in 634 00:31:36,610 --> 00:31:33,080 to see her wherever she lived I forget 635 00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,620 where it is now and the the news 636 00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:39,440 coverage of this this this was one of 637 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:41,030 this was the biggest but there were 638 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:42,980 quite a few other cases that were going 639 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:45,530 on back at that time the Ohio governor 640 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:47,090 at the time John Gilligan and had a 641 00:31:53,020 --> 00:31:49,730 sighting there was quite a bit of a UFO 642 00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:53,030 fever going around and you had just 643 00:31:57,730 --> 00:31:55,549 pretty much focused on the York case or 644 00:32:00,760 --> 00:31:57,740 did you take a look at some of the other 645 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:00,770 things that were going on you know I 646 00:32:05,619 --> 00:32:04,370 wanted to forget it so I didn't listen 647 00:32:09,009 --> 00:32:05,629 to all 648 00:32:11,409 --> 00:32:09,019 the gossip going on or watch the news or 649 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:11,419 something come on in the news about it I 650 00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:13,970 turn it off and I'd get up and go find 651 00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:16,609 something else to do and I just want I 652 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:19,100 figured I'd bury this what happened to 653 00:32:25,090 --> 00:32:21,369 me and that it would all be over with 654 00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,100 but it just followed me all my life 655 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:28,399 the reason for the book you know it was 656 00:32:33,369 --> 00:32:30,289 still following me we went to a wake and 657 00:32:35,259 --> 00:32:33,379 I signed on the register and people 658 00:32:37,629 --> 00:32:35,269 started asking me questions and that's 659 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:37,639 when my wife said well maybe you need to 660 00:32:43,239 --> 00:32:41,450 write a book and I'm not a writer 661 00:32:46,330 --> 00:32:43,249 believe me I can't even spell my own 662 00:32:47,859 --> 00:32:46,340 name but I struggle to it yeah I have 663 00:32:49,989 --> 00:32:47,869 something to say about that I don't know 664 00:32:52,029 --> 00:32:49,999 why people would there was there was 665 00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:52,039 some criticism by people about how that 666 00:32:58,239 --> 00:32:54,830 book was written and I think that that 667 00:33:01,149 --> 00:32:58,249 was a terrible thing that people did 668 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:01,159 because you know it's important for 669 00:33:06,299 --> 00:33:03,049 people to be able to speak in a natural 670 00:33:10,029 --> 00:33:06,309 manner and if the author of the book is 671 00:33:12,099 --> 00:33:10,039 recording you the way you talk then how 672 00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:12,109 can it get any better than that that's 673 00:33:16,239 --> 00:33:13,609 perfect 674 00:33:17,619 --> 00:33:16,249 there's no reason to criticize that and 675 00:33:20,919 --> 00:33:17,629 so I'm really glad that you had the 676 00:33:23,889 --> 00:33:20,929 opportunity to just tell your story the 677 00:33:25,719 --> 00:33:23,899 manner and how you will you understand 678 00:33:29,499 --> 00:33:25,729 there's a reason why that book was 679 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:29,509 written the way it was and that book was 680 00:33:33,879 --> 00:33:32,090 a really important book for people and 681 00:33:36,639 --> 00:33:33,889 I'm really glad that you had it written 682 00:33:42,369 --> 00:33:36,649 that you had a writer write that book 683 00:33:43,989 --> 00:33:42,379 for you right no that's correct 684 00:33:53,169 --> 00:33:43,999 I mean I'm sorry that the author 685 00:33:55,570 --> 00:33:53,179 actually I think yeah what we had a deal 686 00:33:59,379 --> 00:33:55,580 when I win it the only way I would agree 687 00:34:02,440 --> 00:33:59,389 to do this book if he didn't correct 688 00:34:05,349 --> 00:34:02,450 nothing in it or change anything in it 689 00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:05,359 and he stood by his word I mean that man 690 00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:08,389 really stood by his word with me he 691 00:34:13,930 --> 00:34:10,790 didn't if I had a misspelled word it 692 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:13,940 stayed misspelled if I had a consolation 693 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:16,490 wrong him wasn't the punch away did I 694 00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:18,250 wanted the book in 695 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:21,520 my words I waited 45 years to tell this 696 00:34:27,149 --> 00:34:24,129 story and the media had changed it so 697 00:34:29,730 --> 00:34:27,159 much that uh you know I didn't want 698 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:29,740 nothing changed what it is it's what it 699 00:34:35,970 --> 00:34:33,550 is and then people that criticize you 700 00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:35,980 know they had to buy to criticize it so 701 00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:39,899 that's fine with me to do what they want 702 00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:43,060 now Phil has pulled some real rabbits 703 00:34:47,490 --> 00:34:44,830 out of his hat I know he's gotten a 704 00:34:49,950 --> 00:34:47,500 couple books from Irene Escada we know 705 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:49,960 pretty well here who had been you're 706 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:52,450 just kind of in the background for a lot 707 00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:54,610 of years feeding researchers information 708 00:34:58,650 --> 00:34:56,889 and I think some people were surprised 709 00:35:02,130 --> 00:34:58,660 when she finally about Charlie had 710 00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:02,140 ridden a bull and in mount rights to it 711 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:05,080 and he had some question on today ass so 712 00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:06,910 he called and they just have to be right 713 00:35:12,030 --> 00:35:08,740 after my wife talk to me about writing 714 00:35:14,490 --> 00:35:12,040 the book you know everything you say you 715 00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:14,500 know this can be your legacy you put it 716 00:35:20,340 --> 00:35:17,140 in writing they can't change it and he 717 00:35:23,850 --> 00:35:20,350 made a lot of sense it took him all I 718 00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:23,860 kept hanging up on him there for you 719 00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,960 know two or three times and finally one 720 00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:28,240 day I was fishing in my phone rung and I 721 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:30,430 couldn't screen it and I reached and 722 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:32,530 grabbed and there was him well I had 723 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:34,330 felt so bad just the way I've been doing 724 00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:38,170 him you know just putting him off and I 725 00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:39,580 was just gonna tell him look I don't 726 00:35:43,770 --> 00:35:41,830 want to mess with this but we came to 727 00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:43,780 terms with it when he agreed not to add 728 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:47,820 it anything I was gonna ask you about 729 00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:50,170 1993 I believe it was when he said you 730 00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:53,110 had some missing time if that's true can 731 00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:55,150 you please tell us about that I just 732 00:35:59,460 --> 00:35:56,440 want to make sure I'm right about the 733 00:36:05,370 --> 00:35:59,470 date regarding your missing time it was 734 00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:05,380 a 93 Oak handle I had went fishing and I 735 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:08,260 had pulled up and this is the one word 736 00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:13,450 that Philip did changed I told my wife I 737 00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:15,160 said I'm going fishing I'll be back 738 00:36:23,070 --> 00:36:20,590 before dark and don't worry about me 739 00:36:26,190 --> 00:36:23,080 because I'll be home way before dark I 740 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:26,200 didn't fish at night anymore I didn't 741 00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:28,690 think so I pulled up she made me a lunch 742 00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:31,950 and it was a fried bologna sandwich 743 00:36:36,670 --> 00:36:33,869 and this is the one word to fill it 744 00:36:40,789 --> 00:36:36,680 change in the book to a blondie sandwich 745 00:36:43,009 --> 00:36:40,799 so that's a only word though so I was 746 00:36:45,529 --> 00:36:43,019 sitting there eating my lunch and it was 747 00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:45,539 probably 11 12 o'clock in the daytime I 748 00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:48,150 was waiting for the tide to change and 749 00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,420 all of a sudden I woke up or came to and 750 00:36:59,509 --> 00:36:57,359 it was 3 o'clock in the morning and I 751 00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:59,519 don't know where that time went but that 752 00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:02,480 was a lot of time that came up missing 753 00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,920 and I've just started a dog started 754 00:37:13,150 --> 00:37:10,079 really getting into it you know how I 755 00:37:16,819 --> 00:37:13,160 feel oppressed ride it from the hypnosis 756 00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:16,829 but I'm my personal self still trying to 757 00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:19,680 remember all this right now I let my 758 00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:22,950 wife listen to the tape this original 759 00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:26,400 tape that came out and as I remember 760 00:37:31,849 --> 00:37:29,339 something I'll talk to her about it to 761 00:37:34,309 --> 00:37:31,859 see if it's true it's sure enough so far 762 00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:34,319 it's been dead on everything that I 763 00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:39,630 remember I was going to ask you a well 764 00:37:45,099 --> 00:37:41,460 actually first let me tell you something 765 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:45,109 and that is a lot of abductees and 766 00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:48,450 experiencers and contactees many have 767 00:37:54,620 --> 00:37:51,720 said that they have had experiences all 768 00:37:56,769 --> 00:37:54,630 their lives regarding having contact 769 00:37:59,749 --> 00:37:56,779 with extraterrestrial beings an 770 00:38:01,999 --> 00:37:59,759 extraterrestrial craft do you think that 771 00:38:03,759 --> 00:38:02,009 this was the first time that you had 772 00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:03,769 contact with an extraterrestrial 773 00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:06,420 civilization or do you think it's 774 00:38:12,529 --> 00:38:09,150 possible that they have actually been in 775 00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:12,539 contact with you your entire life I do 776 00:38:18,499 --> 00:38:16,470 remember and 19 No 777 00:38:21,620 --> 00:38:18,509 well right around when Kennedy was 778 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:21,630 assassinated my brother and I had to 779 00:38:26,779 --> 00:38:23,730 share a room because we you know lived 780 00:38:28,579 --> 00:38:26,789 in a small house and he woke up 781 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,589 screaming one night and he said there's 782 00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:30,480 a ghost blowing in year you know and I 783 00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,900 never thought about all this until chill 784 00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:36,000 here lately he said well there's a ghost 785 00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:38,430 blowing in year he was screaming a crime 786 00:38:43,789 --> 00:38:40,140 well it scared me I didn't know anything 787 00:38:45,250 --> 00:38:43,799 about it but my ear was kind of bleeding 788 00:38:49,210 --> 00:38:45,260 a little bit 789 00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:49,220 that was one time I'm I think it's it's 790 00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:51,470 a possibility I'm not saying for sure it 791 00:38:57,069 --> 00:38:52,070 was 792 00:38:59,800 --> 00:38:57,079 and then probably 93 73 and 93 and I 793 00:39:03,370 --> 00:38:59,810 believe that kind of sums it up 794 00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,380 restaurants even anymore I don't know 795 00:39:07,569 --> 00:39:05,599 about them yeah immediately after the 796 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:07,579 incident Charles kind of stayed with it 797 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:09,770 he wrote a book he went out and did a 798 00:39:14,859 --> 00:39:11,930 number of lectures he kind of stayed 799 00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:14,869 with it and stayed on it and you kind of 800 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:16,430 you know you went your own way and I 801 00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:18,530 tried to forget about it but did you see 802 00:39:24,220 --> 00:39:20,630 how long after this incident did you 803 00:39:30,130 --> 00:39:24,230 stay in touch with Charles well let's 804 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:30,140 say this is 73 I didn't see him again 805 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:34,130 till 76 and he told him wanted to borrow 806 00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:38,089 some money to pay his life bill actually 807 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:42,710 his son did his younger son so I did 808 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:46,970 that and Charlie just kinda boarding me 809 00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:52,250 after all that so I didn't send him one 810 00:39:57,550 --> 00:39:55,430 time before he died again I just thought 811 00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:57,560 that was her how do I keep an eye on 812 00:40:01,329 --> 00:39:59,450 what he was up to as he was a little bit 813 00:40:05,319 --> 00:40:01,339 more active and there or did you not 814 00:40:07,930 --> 00:40:05,329 bother I didn't bother just like I say I 815 00:40:12,609 --> 00:40:07,940 thought he broke the story and I was 816 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:12,619 growing to hate him for it so you know I 817 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:15,770 just stayed away from him I wanted to 818 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:17,410 ask you a question going back to 819 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:19,130 extraterrestrial civilizations 820 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:23,810 contacting humans here on earth there's 821 00:40:28,690 --> 00:40:25,730 been abductees contactees and 822 00:40:30,370 --> 00:40:28,700 experiencers who have said and that they 823 00:40:32,770 --> 00:40:30,380 believe that extraterrestrials have 824 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:32,780 actually been contacting not only 825 00:40:38,579 --> 00:40:36,290 themselves but generations through their 826 00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:38,589 family so that they've had 827 00:40:44,109 --> 00:40:41,089 extraterrestrials contact their mom and 828 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:44,119 dad and their mom and dad before God and 829 00:40:49,420 --> 00:40:47,210 it just keeps going generational a one 830 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:49,430 through one generation after another do 831 00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:51,710 you think that there's been et contact 832 00:40:57,609 --> 00:40:54,710 not just with you for forty-five years I 833 00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:57,619 never talked to my family about it never 834 00:41:01,180 --> 00:40:58,850 talked to my friend 835 00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,190 about it so you know anything is a 836 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:04,160 possibility but nobody's ever mentioned 837 00:41:10,750 --> 00:41:08,090 it to me and you've written a book now 838 00:41:14,260 --> 00:41:10,760 and you've done some lecturing and gone 839 00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:14,270 out to some different conferences on the 840 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:16,310 subject what that what is that 841 00:41:20,260 --> 00:41:19,250 experience been like for you I've 842 00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:20,270 enjoyed it 843 00:41:25,090 --> 00:41:21,830 I've had a lot of fun at these 844 00:41:28,990 --> 00:41:25,100 conferences and the reason why I've met 845 00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:29,000 people that weren't so critical and we 846 00:41:34,270 --> 00:41:32,180 had things in common and they have some 847 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:34,280 of the best lecturers in the world and 848 00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:36,890 if some of these conferences and I love 849 00:41:42,070 --> 00:41:38,840 to listen to me and hear the other 850 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:42,080 experiences going on to see if I can put 851 00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:44,770 any similarity around to them or not and 852 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:47,480 have you found any or do you find a 853 00:41:53,350 --> 00:41:51,170 yours is unique in some ways what what 854 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:53,360 have you put together from all this well 855 00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:55,490 I hadn't found anybody that's been 856 00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,440 through the same thing I have you know 857 00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:02,240 the ones that have conducted mainland 858 00:42:07,450 --> 00:42:04,430 totally different I've seen them hold 859 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:07,460 pictures and lizards up and know them 860 00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,690 big eye things were the one the lady had 861 00:42:16,570 --> 00:42:14,000 facial features and I told her the late 862 00:42:19,450 --> 00:42:16,580 her lady I don't know if she was enough 863 00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:19,460 but her facial features like ah she had 864 00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:24,590 a nose my eyes in here very softly 865 00:42:30,990 --> 00:42:27,710 spoken when she did you know she didn't 866 00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:31,000 talk to me but she did all 867 00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:34,520 telepathically talk and her voice was 868 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:37,100 real pleasant and so of course I guess 869 00:42:43,090 --> 00:42:39,650 native beard and it scared somebody 870 00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:43,100 worse than they didn't mean yeah which 871 00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:45,380 actually I just had one question about 872 00:42:53,110 --> 00:42:49,310 that sorry Frank and that is and do you 873 00:42:55,890 --> 00:42:53,120 think that she was a robot designed to 874 00:42:58,660 --> 00:42:55,900 be able to do what she did because uh 875 00:43:01,090 --> 00:42:58,670 you said that she spoke very softly and 876 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:01,100 she seemed very feminine and he made a 877 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:04,970 great point that she was very you know 878 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:06,650 passive like she didn't seem like she 879 00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:08,450 was threatening do you think that she 880 00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:10,910 was a robot also designed to be able to 881 00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:12,710 do what she did 882 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:14,329 people don't feel scared while it 883 00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:16,010 whatever it is they're doing is 884 00:43:22,089 --> 00:43:18,740 happening to them I don't know in the 885 00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,099 way I look at it do the big ugly when 886 00:43:27,069 --> 00:43:24,079 there's so much difference in them when 887 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:27,079 they move mechanically she looked just 888 00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,290 like me you and I would you know going 889 00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:32,960 out moving and communicating and walking 890 00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:35,960 around so I really don't think she was a 891 00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:41,089 robot I think she was the real deal I'm 892 00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:43,400 sorry go ahead finish up please I'm 893 00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:47,119 saying people that sing different 894 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:49,790 looking ones than what I have but she 895 00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,970 you know to be from another planet I 896 00:43:59,500 --> 00:43:55,280 guess she she looked you know really 897 00:44:04,150 --> 00:43:59,510 nice and you had mentioned the telepathy 898 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:04,160 that is a very common aspect of 899 00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,690 different folks accounts who've had 900 00:44:10,030 --> 00:44:08,240 these Close Encounters what do you think 901 00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:10,040 about that and is that a subject that 902 00:44:14,770 --> 00:44:11,750 you're interested in I mean have you had 903 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:14,780 any a sort of telepathic or psychic 904 00:44:22,210 --> 00:44:18,530 experiences away and apart from this no 905 00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:22,220 I hadn't but I can understand why they 906 00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:26,000 would have to use telepathy there's so 907 00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:29,990 many different languages spoke and I'm 908 00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,849 sure they have to be able to communicate 909 00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:36,319 different from different languages and 910 00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:37,940 that's probably one of the ways they do 911 00:44:45,460 --> 00:44:40,280 it their brain I think is more like a 912 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:45,470 computer than it is a brain I wanted to 913 00:44:51,309 --> 00:44:49,250 ask you Calvin do you think that you 914 00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,319 would do hypnotic regression again 915 00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,839 do you trust anybody to do that or is 916 00:44:58,089 --> 00:44:55,280 that something you don't you're not 917 00:45:02,170 --> 00:44:58,099 interested in well I would trust 918 00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,180 somebody to do it yeah they would have 919 00:45:07,930 --> 00:45:04,160 to be I would have to sit down and talk 920 00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:07,940 to and it would have to be recorded so I 921 00:45:12,970 --> 00:45:11,359 could watch it after you know after we 922 00:45:14,829 --> 00:45:12,980 get through to be sure they didn't 923 00:45:18,789 --> 00:45:14,839 because it kind of scared somebody 924 00:45:20,650 --> 00:45:18,799 putting something in your hand okay so 925 00:45:23,020 --> 00:45:20,660 you were saying you were hypnotically 926 00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:23,030 requests by Budd Hopkins and you don't 927 00:45:27,970 --> 00:45:26,240 remember that session do 928 00:45:30,340 --> 00:45:27,980 have any idea why you don't remember it 929 00:45:32,050 --> 00:45:30,350 because and I know that happens to a lot 930 00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:32,060 of people by the way a lot of people 931 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:34,310 will be hypnotically regressed and they 932 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:36,290 don't remember a thing and then there's 933 00:45:40,090 --> 00:45:38,210 people who get hypnotically regrets and 934 00:45:42,070 --> 00:45:40,100 they remember every moment do you know 935 00:45:43,570 --> 00:45:42,080 why you don't remember do you have any 936 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:43,580 idea why you don't remember any of the 937 00:45:50,109 --> 00:45:46,690 hypnotic regression from Budd Hopkins 938 00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,119 hypnotic suggestion in my head and I'm 939 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:52,160 sure that's stuck in there all these 940 00:45:59,890 --> 00:45:56,450 years I see you I was afraid and he knew 941 00:46:02,290 --> 00:45:59,900 that it would probably devastate me if I 942 00:46:04,510 --> 00:46:02,300 knew what had happened so he tried to 943 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:04,520 make it as easy as he could on me and 944 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:07,850 put that in my head and I'm I guess I 945 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:12,290 was a easy subject for him okay I was 946 00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:13,970 going to ask you I had a listener 947 00:46:19,470 --> 00:46:17,480 question that wanted to ask are you a 948 00:46:23,590 --> 00:46:19,480 man of faith and how has it affected 949 00:46:25,930 --> 00:46:23,600 your spiritual foundation oh I believe 950 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:25,940 in God 100% 951 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:29,690 and I did before this happened I do now 952 00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:33,890 and I always will so you know my faith 953 00:46:40,690 --> 00:46:36,920 has never been disturbed by this so my 954 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:40,700 my weird question to you is do you 955 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:42,770 believe that these extraterrestrials 956 00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:48,050 believe in God also yeah I do you know 957 00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:50,660 even everybody here on earth will not be 958 00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:53,750 different religious Muslim Buddhist and 959 00:46:59,890 --> 00:46:57,890 all that but if you read all of them and 960 00:47:03,820 --> 00:46:59,900 I've tried to study all of them there's 961 00:47:08,130 --> 00:47:03,830 always somebody that descends down from 962 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:08,140 heaven and whether it be you know 963 00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:11,450 Muhammad or Buddha or somebody like that 964 00:47:16,330 --> 00:47:14,030 but they all have something in common I 965 00:47:20,130 --> 00:47:16,340 guess it's what I'm trying to say and 966 00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:20,140 what we have Jesus you know in my faith 967 00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:22,940 okay I was also going to ask you 968 00:47:26,290 --> 00:47:23,630 something 969 00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:26,300 kind of odd and that is wanted to tell 970 00:47:30,910 --> 00:47:27,440 you a little bit about Whitley Strieber 971 00:47:35,260 --> 00:47:30,920 he claimed that there were humans on a 972 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:35,270 ship that he was on and I wanted to know 973 00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:38,170 do you think that there's humans with 974 00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:39,950 extraterrestrials on 975 00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:43,520 extraterrestrial ships I do think that 976 00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:45,380 now used to I wouldn't even thought of 977 00:47:54,430 --> 00:47:48,470 it the yard believe that and I believe 978 00:47:56,380 --> 00:47:54,440 that in like walk-ins and you know like 979 00:47:59,620 --> 00:47:56,390 that I might borrow your body just to 980 00:48:01,900 --> 00:47:59,630 get along down here on earth and I know 981 00:48:03,930 --> 00:48:01,910 that's far out there but I really do 982 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:03,940 think it's a possibility 983 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:07,010 okay I also wanted to ask you to believe 984 00:48:11,230 --> 00:48:09,890 that these extraterrestrials could be 985 00:48:14,940 --> 00:48:11,240 coming from the future 986 00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:14,950 that's all worried that some people have 987 00:48:21,730 --> 00:48:19,390 update I think they could travel in time 988 00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:21,740 you know we were just talking with the 989 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:24,140 international director of MUFON the 990 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:27,650 mutual UFO news network last night in a 991 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:30,410 tribute to a Stanton Friedman and he was 992 00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:32,930 saying that he believes that there's a 993 00:48:38,380 --> 00:48:35,660 time warp that has been figured out and 994 00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:38,390 he was told about that many years ago by 995 00:48:47,530 --> 00:48:42,400 a person who really influenced him and 996 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:47,540 thank you been rich and so a lot of 997 00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:50,650 people who are really involved in 998 00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:53,839 ufology believe that extraterrestrials 999 00:49:01,089 --> 00:48:57,890 are involved in traveling through space 1000 00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,099 in a time warp fashion and I wanted to 1001 00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:03,200 ask you do you have any more theories 1002 00:49:06,690 --> 00:49:04,609 about how they might travel through 1003 00:49:10,569 --> 00:49:06,700 space any ideas how they might do it 1004 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:10,579 well you know used to you would see UFOs 1005 00:49:16,089 --> 00:49:13,490 and at home and it's kind of like owning 1006 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:16,099 a car you know it gets old you have to 1007 00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,410 abandon it but now I think that they 1008 00:49:22,569 --> 00:49:20,720 travel in or dimension you know they can 1009 00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:22,579 come into a dimension and leave in a 1010 00:49:26,770 --> 00:49:24,710 dimension and I really believe that I 1011 00:49:30,910 --> 00:49:26,780 think they just showed what when they 1012 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:30,920 want to leave when they want to go 1013 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:33,650 Calvin now going back to your incident 1014 00:49:41,730 --> 00:49:38,690 you recently were connected with a lady 1015 00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:41,740 who said that she saw the air the craft 1016 00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:44,329 there and if that kind of corroborates 1017 00:49:49,770 --> 00:49:47,390 your in charles's story and tell us a 1018 00:49:52,109 --> 00:49:49,780 little bit about that okay 1019 00:49:54,450 --> 00:49:52,119 we've got a picture of it and it seemed 1020 00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:54,460 like it was quite a quite a big moment 1021 00:50:00,180 --> 00:49:55,420 for both of you 1022 00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:00,190 it was we both shed a tear over this and 1023 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:04,630 it was really surprising that an eye 1024 00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:07,210 witness would come forward and she took 1025 00:50:13,170 --> 00:50:10,780 a lot of criticism when she did on the 1026 00:50:16,290 --> 00:50:13,180 social media and that's like I told them 1027 00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:16,300 she's not the one that hunted me down we 1028 00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:18,910 hunted her down when I found out that 1029 00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:21,849 there was another eyewitness we put the 1030 00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:23,950 words out we like not to never found her 1031 00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:27,430 her daughter had made a comment on Fox 1032 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:30,520 News we I had done an interview with Fox 1033 00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:33,130 News and under the comments section she 1034 00:50:38,250 --> 00:50:35,710 said my mother witnessed there just back 1035 00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:38,260 in 73 and she can't get it all for a 1036 00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:42,420 mine so I took at jumped on me and 1037 00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:45,220 Phillips like a bloodhound when he gets 1038 00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:48,750 on your case to find it and we actually 1039 00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:52,150 look this girl left it said that and it 1040 00:50:57,810 --> 00:50:54,609 was her mother and she gave us a contact 1041 00:50:59,520 --> 00:50:57,820 information for her mother so you know 1042 00:51:03,599 --> 00:50:59,530 this lady who didn't want her five 1043 00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:03,609 minutes of fame and she come forward out 1044 00:51:08,609 --> 00:51:05,680 of faith and it's been several more 1045 00:51:10,260 --> 00:51:08,619 since into how well I remember when the 1046 00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,270 case was really getting a lot of 1047 00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:12,400 attention there had been some other 1048 00:51:17,370 --> 00:51:15,670 sightings reported in the area including 1049 00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:17,380 one if I recall correctly if somebody 1050 00:51:23,579 --> 00:51:19,420 seeing something actually underwater in 1051 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:23,589 the area and are you aware of that 1052 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:25,930 do you remember that happening and I do 1053 00:51:32,010 --> 00:51:28,330 remember the coastguard actually went 1054 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:32,020 out and investigated that when two guys 1055 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:33,970 was on earth to revive turned they've 1056 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:35,530 seen something they called the Coast 1057 00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:38,410 Guard the Coast Guard showed up and they 1058 00:51:44,849 --> 00:51:40,990 had a long coat and they actually bumped 1059 00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:44,859 him out of it will go along knowing that 1060 00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:48,550 name was six witnesses to that that was 1061 00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:53,310 all Coast Guard employees that you know 1062 00:51:58,570 --> 00:51:55,710 so that's pretty credible and they 1063 00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:58,580 doctored anything when they got back 1064 00:52:05,090 --> 00:52:01,260 Calvin I have a personal question to ask 1065 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:05,100 you and that is do you have did you have 1066 00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:11,610 children I did okay I wanted to know do 1067 00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:14,310 you think they have had any experiences 1068 00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:16,710 at all that might be similar to yours in 1069 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:19,500 any way at all as far as having contact 1070 00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:21,570 with extraterrestrials or dreams or 1071 00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:23,880 anything that's related to something 1072 00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:25,980 like what we're talking about here I 1073 00:52:32,540 --> 00:52:29,910 just talked to well my daughter Rebecca 1074 00:52:36,380 --> 00:52:32,550 and not long ago when she don't know of 1075 00:52:39,290 --> 00:52:36,390 any it is she she grew up and made up 1076 00:52:42,260 --> 00:52:39,300 early damage to made a dental hygienist 1077 00:52:45,590 --> 00:52:42,270 herself they got a business together and 1078 00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:45,600 they very level-headed and they just now 1079 00:52:52,850 --> 00:52:50,400 getting into well cleft and little 1080 00:52:56,090 --> 00:52:52,860 Miller baby deals from like conferences 1081 00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:56,100 the things I go to but you know I've 1082 00:53:03,230 --> 00:52:58,140 never really talked to her about it that 1083 00:53:05,210 --> 00:53:03,240 I don't think she's had any okay back to 1084 00:53:07,340 --> 00:53:05,220 the conference's what have you got lined 1085 00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:07,350 up but over the next few months it 1086 00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:08,460 sounds like you're having a good time 1087 00:53:11,630 --> 00:53:09,720 when you go to them I know what I've 1088 00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:11,640 been to one I had a blast 1089 00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:14,700 what does he got coming up well I'm 1090 00:53:22,220 --> 00:53:18,300 going to the UK in August then I got 1091 00:53:25,340 --> 00:53:22,230 that one in Arizona you know that major 1092 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:25,350 conference thing is September and then I 1093 00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:27,090 have one more after that 1094 00:53:31,940 --> 00:53:29,940 it's a Bigfoot conference and they 1095 00:53:32,780 --> 00:53:31,950 invited me down to come to that when 1096 00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,790 it's him 1097 00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:35,280 I forget where it is I have to dig the 1098 00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:38,280 paperwork out but I'm looking forward to 1099 00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,400 them and but it's like I told telling 1100 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:43,200 everybody and I'm pretty serious about 1101 00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:44,210 it 1102 00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:49,280 October unless Philip needs me to help 1103 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:52,740 promote some but something comes up I'm 1104 00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:54,930 throwing my phone away my computer away 1105 00:54:01,160 --> 00:53:57,540 and I'm getting on my houseboat and I'm 1106 00:54:03,590 --> 00:54:01,170 going back to my old life I used to fish 1107 00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,600 every day and since this has been going 1108 00:54:06,740 --> 00:54:06,000 on I fished one time I said I turned 1109 00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,750 that take my 1110 00:54:11,810 --> 00:54:09,180 to the shop because I hadn't been 1111 00:54:13,220 --> 00:54:11,820 running it so is our Philip involved in 1112 00:54:16,970 --> 00:54:13,230 the conference is going to be doing in 1113 00:54:19,310 --> 00:54:16,980 the UK yes he is 1114 00:54:22,220 --> 00:54:19,320 I don't know anything I agreed to go 1115 00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:22,230 over just to meet him I don't like 1116 00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:24,990 travelling and that's thirty hour trip 1117 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:29,220 for me to go over there so he said look 1118 00:54:32,839 --> 00:54:31,050 we're not getting your room you just 1119 00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:32,849 come stay in the house with me and my 1120 00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:35,760 wife and we'll show you the size I'm a 1121 00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:38,880 big history buff I love history and I 1122 00:54:44,089 --> 00:54:42,300 like seeing the history in places so I'm 1123 00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:44,099 looking forward to that trip it's gonna 1124 00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:45,990 be a lot of fun have you met Philip 1125 00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:48,660 before never there you go you got that 1126 00:54:52,580 --> 00:54:50,310 you wrote a book together basically you 1127 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:52,590 published your book and you were able to 1128 00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:55,170 do it from I guess what about six seven 1129 00:54:59,680 --> 00:54:56,760 thousand miles away something like that 1130 00:55:03,080 --> 00:54:59,690 yes and that's where computers are great 1131 00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,090 we Skype on a regular basis he's been 1132 00:55:07,070 --> 00:55:05,040 kind of under the weather here lately 1133 00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:07,080 and I hadn't talked to him about two 1134 00:55:14,540 --> 00:55:11,310 three weeks but he's been a big 1135 00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:14,550 inspiration for me and one thing I 1136 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:18,839 appreciate from is his honesty and if 1137 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:20,730 this man tells you something he's gonna 1138 00:55:25,329 --> 00:55:22,650 do it you don't need a contract or 1139 00:55:27,770 --> 00:55:25,339 anything with him because he will do it 1140 00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:27,780 and now you're still into the fishing 1141 00:55:33,770 --> 00:55:30,599 unit you never get to any kind of like 1142 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:33,780 deja vu any kind of a negative fly fly 1143 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:35,970 fax when you down the fishing from you 1144 00:55:44,540 --> 00:55:43,050 know two o'clock in the morning and 1145 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:44,550 going because that's the only time I 1146 00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:48,210 have free so I get up out of bed about 1147 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:50,339 two o'clock and I go jump on my boat 1148 00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,250 it's in the water my wife likes to fish 1149 00:55:58,460 --> 00:55:55,440 so we fished together and we have a 1150 00:56:01,520 --> 00:55:58,470 great time doing it and it's so peaceful 1151 00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,530 out there those times that I'll go back 1152 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:03,839 and I want him fish I'll just lay on the 1153 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:06,930 bench and I look up at the sky and the 1154 00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:10,770 stars and see what I could see and I can 1155 00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:13,380 think of one time we we were scared we 1156 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:16,310 were sitting there fishing actually and 1157 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:19,410 I looked up and it was something big and 1158 00:56:25,540 --> 00:56:20,490 silver open 1159 00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:28,970 now let me ask you this did you know 1160 00:56:34,099 --> 00:56:31,470 mrs. Parker at the time back in 73 or 1161 00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:34,109 you met her afterwards er we were 1162 00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:36,660 actually engaged to get me just got 1163 00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:39,270 engaged to get married and that's why I 1164 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:41,880 took that job at the shipyard I was in 1165 00:56:47,329 --> 00:56:44,490 the old field I was working 16 hours a 1166 00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:47,339 day seven days a week making good money 1167 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:51,060 you know but I knew I wanted to get 1168 00:56:55,339 --> 00:56:52,770 married so we was engaged to get married 1169 00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:55,349 in November November the 9th to be 1170 00:57:00,079 --> 00:56:58,440 honest we and I wanted to find a job 1171 00:57:02,420 --> 00:57:00,089 where I could be home and that's hand 1172 00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:02,430 you know with Charlie right right right 1173 00:57:07,310 --> 00:57:05,640 now I we you said that obviously the 1174 00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:07,320 boss was a little upset there with all 1175 00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:10,080 the attention and the commotion that was 1176 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:11,849 going on because of the incident were 1177 00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:13,410 you able to hold that job or did you 1178 00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:14,700 have to go get something else lined up 1179 00:57:20,359 --> 00:57:17,910 no no like I said I got hard I got a 1180 00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:20,369 physical got hard and got fired the same 1181 00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:23,670 day so but but mrs. Parker's been with 1182 00:57:27,620 --> 00:57:25,260 you for the duration so you didn't have 1183 00:57:30,250 --> 00:57:27,630 to explain anything to her I mean she 1184 00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:30,260 you knew you was with you the whole time 1185 00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:34,050 well you know we never talked about this 1186 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:39,180 to July of all last year never have I 1187 00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:41,250 sat down and talked to her about this 1188 00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:43,260 and told her anything about it 1189 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:45,720 never has she asked she respected me 1190 00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,290 enough not to ask and she knew that it 1191 00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:51,119 would bother me so she just didn't bring 1192 00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:52,980 it up she wouldn't let her family or 1193 00:57:59,660 --> 00:57:56,390 nobody bring it up and that's a sir yes 1194 00:58:03,260 --> 00:57:59,670 yes I actually had a question about that 1195 00:58:06,109 --> 00:58:03,270 and your beautiful wife I wanted to know 1196 00:58:10,370 --> 00:58:06,119 did she could she just tell from your 1197 00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:10,380 behavior that you were not happy one as 1198 00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:12,839 far as talking about this topic I mean 1199 00:58:16,970 --> 00:58:15,480 what what what clues did you give to her 1200 00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:16,980 that she didn't want to talk about it 1201 00:58:21,170 --> 00:58:19,500 did you tell her or did she just read 1202 00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:21,180 your body language how did she know not 1203 00:58:26,780 --> 00:58:24,089 to not to talk to you about it we was 1204 00:58:29,420 --> 00:58:26,790 engaged like I say when this happened 1205 00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:29,430 and of course they knew about it they 1206 00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:32,700 heard about it over the news media and 1207 00:58:37,070 --> 00:58:34,110 when I came home 1208 00:58:41,180 --> 00:58:37,080 she never asked me a question I think 1209 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:41,190 she knew my nature and you know I was 1210 00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:43,170 having some real problems there for a 1211 00:58:47,870 --> 00:58:45,630 while with the media and she needed I'd 1212 00:58:50,330 --> 00:58:47,880 get upset at him when they come in town 1213 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:50,340 so she never asked me about it but I 1214 00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:54,090 know that she knew that it would disturb 1215 00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:56,850 me as she talked okay I have two 1216 00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:00,960 questions for you and that is do you 1217 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:04,500 think that when they abducted you 1218 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:08,090 they actually put an implant in you or 1219 00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,130 do you suspect up that's possible they 1220 00:59:15,740 --> 00:59:12,960 actually put some kind of device in you 1221 00:59:18,590 --> 00:59:15,750 a lot of abductees contactees and 1222 00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,600 experiencers will say that they either 1223 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:20,160 suspect that there's some kind of 1224 00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:23,490 implant possibly that they had put in 1225 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:25,710 them or they actually have found an area 1226 00:59:30,020 --> 00:59:27,930 on their body somewhere that might show 1227 00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:30,030 a mark or something or they've actually 1228 00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:31,920 had something come out or somebody's 1229 00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:34,380 taken it out of them do you think that's 1230 00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:36,750 possible for you I think it's a very 1231 00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,160 good possibility never in my longest 1232 00:59:45,950 --> 00:59:42,960 dream what I had thought something like 1233 00:59:48,530 --> 00:59:45,960 that would happened but then here lately 1234 00:59:52,310 --> 00:59:48,540 since I got into this I've been looking 1235 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:52,320 back and when I was a kid and the ghost 1236 00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:55,530 was blowing in my ear and I noticed 1237 01:00:01,970 --> 00:59:58,440 after that that my nose would bleed 1238 01:00:04,070 --> 01:00:01,980 regular and then my nose is always bled 1239 01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:04,080 all the time I mean it would get to the 1240 01:00:09,410 --> 01:00:07,110 point where you you couldn't stop it so 1241 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:09,420 I feel like I had a nasal implant and 1242 01:00:14,780 --> 01:00:12,210 probably at 73 they might have something 1243 01:00:18,310 --> 01:00:14,790 happen to it she was gonna get it out or 1244 01:00:20,990 --> 01:00:18,320 put one in again and then 93 you know 1245 01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:21,000 they might like that well they did get 1246 01:00:28,580 --> 01:00:25,200 it out then I believe yeah I believe in 1247 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:28,590 there and I actually have another 1248 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:30,090 question but do you think if there was 1249 01:00:33,830 --> 01:00:32,130 something that was put in you was it do 1250 01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:33,840 you think it was a tracking device or 1251 01:00:39,380 --> 01:00:35,190 what what do you think it could have 1252 01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:39,390 been used for I don't know it might have 1253 01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:43,920 been so they could listen track you and 1254 01:00:46,940 --> 01:00:44,700 they're blaming 1255 01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:46,950 keep it with your body functions and 1256 01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:47,950 your blood pressure 1257 01:00:56,550 --> 01:00:52,720 year mm-hmm just I've noticed though my 1258 01:00:59,760 --> 01:00:56,560 health just turned really bad all at one 1259 01:01:03,599 --> 01:00:59,770 time I had a stroke two open-heart 1260 01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:03,609 surgeries and this stroke really 1261 01:01:08,849 --> 01:01:06,070 affected me bad and and I never figured 1262 01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:08,859 I would even be able to get up and walk 1263 01:01:13,530 --> 01:01:11,920 again because I had actually thought if 1264 01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:13,540 I couldn't I was just gonna end it 1265 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:16,089 myself because I didn't want to live 1266 01:01:23,310 --> 01:01:21,250 like health setbacks have any impact on 1267 01:01:30,270 --> 01:01:23,320 your decision to become more active in 1268 01:01:33,180 --> 01:01:30,280 the field no they did now I didn't I 1269 01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:33,190 didn't really want to be active but I 1270 01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:37,150 wanted to live a normal life and you 1271 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:39,670 know that's what pulled me back I was 1272 01:01:46,589 --> 01:01:42,810 the hardest thing on me was a stroke in 1273 01:01:50,849 --> 01:01:46,599 2010 then I had this open heart surgery 1274 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:50,859 in 2012 then the surgery busted open and 1275 01:01:55,290 --> 01:01:53,410 I had to go back and get another surgery 1276 01:01:58,109 --> 01:01:55,300 they harder to know isn't it 1277 01:02:00,120 --> 01:01:58,119 so you know I feel like God was 1278 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:00,130 protecting looking after when he left 1279 01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:02,770 eye surgery opened up because that's 1280 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:04,569 when they found the knock ways where 1281 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:06,690 they had a little hole in my heart again 1282 01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:09,810 they wouldn't have got me patched out 1283 01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:13,089 where you were when you were working 1284 01:02:19,020 --> 01:02:16,329 that day and you saw the lights that you 1285 01:02:22,260 --> 01:02:19,030 did do you think that the 1286 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:22,270 extra-terrestrial on that craft was 1287 01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:24,130 actually stalking you do you think it 1288 01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:26,710 had actually that extraterrestrial being 1289 01:02:31,410 --> 01:02:29,230 had just been following you very quietly 1290 01:02:34,770 --> 01:02:31,420 all along and then waited for the 1291 01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:34,780 perfect opportunity to grab you how do 1292 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:36,430 you think what was their strategy I 1293 01:02:42,540 --> 01:02:39,490 assume there was probably a strategy 1294 01:02:45,059 --> 01:02:42,550 involved in trying to get to people 1295 01:02:47,730 --> 01:02:45,069 because if I were an extraterrestrial on 1296 01:02:49,740 --> 01:02:47,740 a ship I would have a strategy I'd have 1297 01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:49,750 a plan to figure out how to actually 1298 01:02:55,230 --> 01:02:52,960 grab somebody if that was what I was 1299 01:02:55,980 --> 01:02:55,240 going to end up wanting to do that was 1300 01:02:58,109 --> 01:02:55,990 my goal 1301 01:03:01,620 --> 01:02:58,119 do you think that is possible that you'd 1302 01:03:04,109 --> 01:03:01,630 been observed that whole day I thank you 1303 01:03:07,230 --> 01:03:04,119 very possible you know they have to have 1304 01:03:08,940 --> 01:03:07,240 a plan because they can't just shoot 1305 01:03:11,759 --> 01:03:08,950 down here and get somebody and leave 1306 01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:11,769 when they want to I think it's all 1307 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:14,319 planned out man they know what's gonna 1308 01:03:21,269 --> 01:03:16,930 go on that leads me to my next question 1309 01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:21,279 and that is do you think that it's 1310 01:03:25,950 --> 01:03:23,640 possible that they being the 1311 01:03:28,589 --> 01:03:25,960 extraterrestrials had actually been 1312 01:03:31,769 --> 01:03:28,599 observing you for a long time you know 1313 01:03:34,170 --> 01:03:31,779 not just that day but maybe for all year 1314 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:34,180 or for you know a long period an unknown 1315 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:36,490 amount of time is it possible that you 1316 01:03:42,990 --> 01:03:38,410 had been under observation for a while 1317 01:03:45,390 --> 01:03:43,000 before you were taken I really do 1318 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:45,400 believe that and I think that was part 1319 01:03:50,430 --> 01:03:47,890 of the deal of the transplant I believe 1320 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:50,440 they can monitor your blood pressure 1321 01:03:57,390 --> 01:03:53,049 your body functions and everything with 1322 01:03:59,759 --> 01:03:57,400 that and I really do think you know they 1323 01:04:02,849 --> 01:03:59,769 can listen it in and see where you are 1324 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:02,859 and tell what you do and I think they 1325 01:04:11,460 --> 01:04:07,210 have that technology yeah and I was 1326 01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:11,470 actually going to also ask you since 1327 01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:14,079 they probably I'm guessing observed you 1328 01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:17,920 for a while what do you think caused 1329 01:04:23,370 --> 01:04:20,460 them to determine to choose you I mean 1330 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:23,380 so if I were an extraterrestrial I would 1331 01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:26,410 have you know millions actually seven 1332 01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:27,910 point seven billion people on this 1333 01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:30,640 planet to choose from so why do you 1334 01:04:40,259 --> 01:04:34,079 think they actually decided on on you I 1335 01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:40,269 don't know that man oh so I heard 1336 01:04:44,759 --> 01:04:42,460 somebody said they all wish you to be me 1337 01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:44,769 and I told them I wish you to be in 1338 01:04:57,559 --> 01:04:47,529 YouTube you know I would be in the 1339 01:05:00,660 --> 01:04:57,569 situation yeah it's a scary situation 1340 01:05:02,940 --> 01:05:00,670 now that things is coming around I feel 1341 01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:02,950 like they're like maybe I'll be able to 1342 01:05:11,339 --> 01:05:07,839 help somebody in the future and God has 1343 01:05:14,940 --> 01:05:11,349 a reason for everything he does and I 1344 01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:14,950 feel like you know for some reason you 1345 01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:15,280 know 1346 01:05:21,930 --> 01:05:19,390 was time to do this book and maybe it uh 1347 01:05:24,660 --> 01:05:21,940 maybe it'll help somebody and that's my 1348 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:24,670 goal in all this and life I say if not 1349 01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:26,530 maybe it'd just be somebody and take 1350 01:05:36,420 --> 01:05:32,050 fishing later on talk to actually I have 1351 01:05:38,970 --> 01:05:36,430 a fishing question for you okay I I grew 1352 01:05:42,930 --> 01:05:38,980 up fishing that's something that we did 1353 01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:42,940 where I was at and I just knew that I 1354 01:05:46,860 --> 01:05:44,950 had family members that would actually 1355 01:05:49,530 --> 01:05:46,870 make their own fishing lures I like to 1356 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:49,540 build a little fly fishing you know I'll 1357 01:05:58,770 --> 01:05:52,930 make my little things from a fly rod now 1358 01:06:01,380 --> 01:05:58,780 in June the 22nd I'm going to be judging 1359 01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:01,390 the fish are going to be the Wade master 1360 01:06:08,580 --> 01:06:05,400 and a fishing rodeo and Pascagoula and 1361 01:06:10,740 --> 01:06:08,590 you know I'm looking forward to that my 1362 01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:10,750 first time as a way master because I 1363 01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:15,070 didn't like getting him by Huck but when 1364 01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:16,390 you go fishing what there what do you 1365 01:06:23,220 --> 01:06:20,230 generally pull out yeah oh oh gosh we 1366 01:06:26,490 --> 01:06:23,230 can't show mostly saltwater fish okay 1367 01:06:30,750 --> 01:06:26,500 but we freshwater fish we I've count 1368 01:06:33,690 --> 01:06:30,760 some away 150 had two other pounds and 1369 01:06:37,950 --> 01:06:33,700 then I've called redfish 34 reach as 1370 01:06:39,870 --> 01:06:37,960 long 60 70 pounds and most time we got 1371 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:39,880 more fish and we can eat so will 1372 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:42,490 somebody don't need them I just take the 1373 01:06:48,900 --> 01:06:45,810 hook out let them free you know we don't 1374 01:06:52,170 --> 01:06:48,910 the challenge in it is catching them to 1375 01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:52,180 Maine but I don't want to hurt the fish 1376 01:07:00,120 --> 01:06:58,110 okay so just ask you a few more 1377 01:07:02,820 --> 01:07:00,130 questions about fishing and stuff to you 1378 01:07:04,740 --> 01:07:02,830 did you ever grow up hunting or what was 1379 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:04,750 it like growing up where you were at can 1380 01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:06,730 you paint us a picture of what it was 1381 01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:10,030 like being where you were at yeah well 1382 01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:13,390 now my whole family hunted everybody but 1383 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:18,130 me I never liked personally I couldn't 1384 01:07:23,610 --> 01:07:20,050 huh because I didn't like killing 1385 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:23,620 anything now I eat me but I go to the 1386 01:07:32,790 --> 01:07:28,010 store buy I do finish and I eat 1387 01:07:35,830 --> 01:07:32,800 some edge but uh and the reason I can 1388 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:35,840 get away with fishing it in my mind is 1389 01:07:43,570 --> 01:07:41,210 you know Jesus met his disciples and all 1390 01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:43,580 while they were fishing and that told me 1391 01:07:48,970 --> 01:07:45,830 it was all right and he fed everybody 1392 01:07:52,330 --> 01:07:48,980 fish you know he just local bread fish 1393 01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:52,340 so I can justify that but I just can't 1394 01:07:59,260 --> 01:07:55,850 justify shooting something like a lot of 1395 01:08:01,810 --> 01:07:59,270 people do I'm not a Hummer that's 1396 01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:01,820 understandable yeah I actually have a 1397 01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:04,910 family member who well most of my family 1398 01:08:12,700 --> 01:08:07,790 members grew up in a rural area they're 1399 01:08:15,820 --> 01:08:12,710 ranchers and farmers and hunters and a 1400 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:15,830 lot of them feel like they don't need to 1401 01:08:20,740 --> 01:08:18,410 go hunting anymore they don't hunt for 1402 01:08:24,340 --> 01:08:20,750 sport either they grew up honey because 1403 01:08:25,900 --> 01:08:24,350 they needed to feed their family so yeah 1404 01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:25,910 I think a lot of them feel the same way 1405 01:08:31,870 --> 01:08:29,359 you do yeah back when I was coming up 1406 01:08:34,510 --> 01:08:31,880 you know if you got any meat that's the 1407 01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:34,520 way you dated you when I hunted it but I 1408 01:08:41,410 --> 01:08:38,750 always left that up somebody else well 1409 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:41,420 it's just been so wonderful talking to 1410 01:08:45,550 --> 01:08:43,250 you and finding out more about who you 1411 01:08:47,650 --> 01:08:45,560 are really appreciate your sharing so 1412 01:08:49,809 --> 01:08:47,660 much about yourself Calvin yeah 1413 01:08:54,190 --> 01:08:49,819 absolutely mr. Parker thanks for coming 1414 01:08:57,579 --> 01:08:54,200 on it's been a fabulous show and we are 1415 01:09:01,240 --> 01:08:57,589 going to be taking off for the Memorial 1416 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:01,250 Day week we'll be back after the holiday 1417 01:09:07,180 --> 01:09:03,410 with Rey Hernandez that's gonna be a fun 1418 01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:07,190 show having Ray back and again Calvin 1419 01:09:11,860 --> 01:09:09,440 Parker it has been a huge thrill for me 1420 01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,870 having you on tonight thank you so very 1421 01:09:15,610 --> 01:09:13,040 much for joining us 1422 01:09:19,870 --> 01:09:15,620 thank y'all for having me I always enjoy 1423 01:09:22,030 --> 01:09:19,880 it yeah have fun over in England and you 1424 01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,040 know where see ya see ya see what you 1425 01:09:25,300 --> 01:09:23,839 can do about the hopping into a car and 1426 01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:25,310 driving on the wrong side of the road 1427 01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:26,270 like they do over there 1428 01:09:35,180 --> 01:09:28,370 try that out for a thought I'm concerned 1429 01:09:40,589 --> 01:09:38,309 well Calvin I was just gonna ask you if 1430 01:09:42,269 --> 01:09:40,599 maybe later on in the year you wouldn't 1431 01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:42,279 mind catching up with us and come back 1432 01:09:53,519 --> 01:09:51,809 Arizona you said you're gonna be at the 1433 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:53,529 UFO Congress would that be about writer 1434 01:09:58,169 --> 01:09:56,290 that's the one I'm going to yeah you go 1435 01:10:00,959 --> 01:09:58,179 there you go chant Hannah's right in 1436 01:10:11,729 --> 01:10:00,969 Phoenix so she'll she'll buy you watch 1437 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:11,739 how's that well again that Calvin Parker 1438 01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:13,570 thank you so very much for coming on 1439 01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:16,480 with us and the book pascagoula the 1440 01:10:21,450 --> 01:10:18,670 closest encounter you can get that at 1441 01:10:22,770 --> 01:10:21,460 Amazon is there any other place so that 1442 01:10:24,660 --> 01:10:22,780 might be a little bit more convenient 1443 01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,670 for folks to pick up the book well as 1444 01:10:28,919 --> 01:10:26,800 far as I know where Amazon's about it 1445 01:10:32,010 --> 01:10:28,929 now the libraries are getting where they 1446 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:32,020 carried it to Oh got it got it okay 1447 01:10:38,939 --> 01:10:35,170 casick great okay well thanks again that 1448 01:10:41,970 --> 01:10:38,949 Calvin and everybody enjoy your holiday 1449 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:41,980 weekend and keep it together and join us 1450 01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:44,290 back here next Tuesday night thank you